If nothing else it sounds as if there is a danger of a serious accident if the guests of this venue are not forced to park properly and manage the behaviour of attendees, particularly young children.
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I think they just need a reminder of how things were manaed pre-pandemic and how much more successful that was. It was much less of an issue in the “before” times after they worked with their neighbours to address soundproofing and parking.
The behaviour of the guests off-premises is not their responsibility to police, and with the very recent single exception, guests are often just loud rather than disruptive. But the parking situation isn’t great currently – I’m sure whoever’s car got mauled by the coach will be wondering why safer parking spots weren’t more clearly communicated…
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According to your earlier post though -
“…big Merc that was jutting out into Perry Vale from the end of Waldram Place…” - the owner should have known better than to park like that.
Yes, completely. But if you’re not familiar with an area and you pitch up to see everyone else has filled up the street directly outside the venue (and you’re not made aware of the MASSIVE car park a bit further up, or the fact that buses and coaches regularly squeeze round that awkward bend) then maybe you just follow suit? 
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For sure.
But, Fran, you’re cutting this driver too much slack cos that bit of parking was selfish or lazy or ignorant or all three!
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I agree. You might not know where parking is but you know not to park your massive car on a busy junction.
We get that on our road, people park on the pavement and obstruct access to our drive. When challenged they often whine “where am I supposed to park?” Well, not there is the answer
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When you drive to some places, they often have signs directing people to a car park (blue signs I think), I wonder if a few of those would be useful for this venue but also generally as it’s a useful car park anyway if you want to park in near FH centre and don’t want to use the Sainsbury’s car park or ‘quick parking bays’ on Dartmouth Road.
Awaits to be told signs are already there…
Ok ok they’re clearly an idiot, I was attempting to provide balance!
I know - but you’re clearly too kind (Nice way to be!)
I was not very kind to the children playing in the road last Wednesday at 2am.
shocking parking again near JK Banquets, last Sat night according to this image from Nextdoor.
According to Perry Vale police ‘a meeting’ will ensue. But why were these cars not all ticketed at the time?
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I’ve seen something similar at livesey hall (not parking, but large numbers of cars parked in a way which affects others significantly). My theory is that no Civil Enforcement Officer would fancy the job of ticketing a load of cars where all the owers are likely at the same event a few yards away.
Catching someone who overstays in PV car park by 15 mins is much ‘lower hanging fruit’.
Google maps says there’s a big car park 250 yards away from JK banquet so why don’t they use that?
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Because the pavement is less than 250 yards away
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This has been a problem for years. So dangerous. And the staff don’t give a damn.
At a previous council/police/residents meeting, the owner of JKB was belligerent and inflexible. At the time, noise til 2am most nights of the week and their lack of soundproofing attracted complaints from locals. The owner angrily told the assembly of sleep-deprived neighbours, “If you don’t like the music, close your windows. Maybe your houses aren’t built properly.” This was after a hot summer where keeping windows closed and houses unventilated was impossible and actually, dangerous.
Part of the fallout from that meeting was the agreement that they employ a traffic director on busy nights. For the most part they’ve stuck to that – certainly this parking situation is less common now, and residents have had fewer incidents of parties continuing outside flats/houses at 3am. But we’ve still seen drinking, drugs and abysmal behaviour trickling (sometimes literally) down the street unsupervised and far from discouraged by any JKB staff. So yes, probably time for another meeting!
" a meeting will be held in January"
Why wait until after the Christmas and New Year party season when the problem is most acute?
That seems perfectly reasonable. Trying to organise then get people to attend a meeting with ten days to go til Christmas – when people are on leave/busy/out of town/avoiding events because of COVID gears – would be almost impossible. Better to wait til everyone’s back and free to attend.
This is key.
The owners of JKB have clearly demonstrated on numerous occasions that they and their staff are incapable of being able to control the anti-social behaviour of their clientelle, which, I understand, would put them in breach of the terms of their licence, hence, the licensing authority, given the weight of evidence, should surely revoke it?
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Yep, we as residents took it to the noise and nuisance team at Lewisham and they were ineffective. Who grants the licensing and do complaints/challenges have to come from an official body?
JKB don’t sell alcohol on the premises, they just allow people to supply their own. They also have a very late night license, 7 days a week, which I believe was granted many years ago before the immediate area was quite so built-up. Their previous argument was “we were here first”, which unfortunately doesn’t stand up in the face of some of the behaviour we’ve witnessed in the last few years.
I still can’t get over the party they hosted earlier this year with the actual children playing in the road at 2am.
The licensing objectives
Under the Act there are four key licensing objectives:
1. prevention of crime and disorder
2. protection of children from harm
3. public safety
4. prevention of public nuisance.
When you make an application for a premises licence, you must show how your proposed activities will not adversely affect the licensing objectives.
Hard to see how JK are meeting any of these requirements…
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