Dartmouth Road Closure [Now Open]

I am a Programme and Project Manager with several years experience in local government, post-privatisation railway property and English Heritage.

As well as my work in large scale property and property maintenance I have managed the design and integration of computer based work management systems and have also engaged in change management programmes for mid-size organisations. I can and do contribute time and effort to charities - both local and international.

And it’s not too nosey.

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@anon51837532, there is always a place for you on the transport or planning or executive committee of Forest Hill Society :slight_smile:
We could do with some help working out how to relocate Forest Hill station and building a new town centre where the existing station is located!
Very impressed with your work to progress the Dartmouth Road scheme.

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Hear hear. JDG’s work on this should earn him one of the new SE23.life community spirit awards. Is there a nomination process? @SE23.life?

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Thank you - but a step too far @starman - how about if you see me in the bar at AIO - just say hello - it’s always good to put faces to the people you share posts with.

Thanks Mr D - very interesting. And thanks for all your hard work getting some steam back into this project with top team @MajaHilton, @Pauline and anyone else who’s been lending a hand!

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It did indeed, when we announced yesterday: 🏆 New Members of the Month and Top Posts - 2018

John, well done helping Maja with the inspection of the project, great community spirit! :+1:

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Superb. I had only read the version with new members and top posts. Highly deserved!

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(splutter) What!? How? Where?

To the site that is currently WHSmith and a post office - where the station used to be located.

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Ah yes, I had seen that, but didn’t realise it involved a whole new station! It would make an amazing difference to the area. One can dream…

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I thought the old LBSC station was near where the footbridge is and Platform 1 is some remnant?

I guess they weren’t successful :frowning:, but at least there seems to be a date confirmed now!

Given that is happening overnight - does that mean that the road will be open during the day for traffic? Seems an unnecessary disturbance for the people living on the street otherwise.

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Disappointing outcome.

Given the nature of the road closure the work could be carried out anytime. However - and perhaps - the resurfacing team is on a night-works cycle and cannot work a 24 hour period for obvious reasons.

Kiers and Elm will be responsible for traffic management - it would be difficult to predict if the road will be open daytimes.

The decision removes the regrettable uncertainties I previously referred to.

Yup, we pushed to have it started tomorrow night but at least the end is in sight!

Massive thanks @MajaHilton & @anon51837532 for the work you have done on this & the help you have gave me to try push this forward.

Thanks both
P x

And nor forgetting @Pauline.

An invaluable contributor.

And also to all those who engaged in the consultation and freely gave of their time.

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A Lewisham parking attendant is going along the road now ticketing everyone in the new bays who’s been there more than 30 mins. It’s fine to park on the road, though.

This seems like an absolute failure of common sense to me.

(Also, I’m glad we walked today).

Absolute in the extreme.

Any pix of the attendant doing it ? Is it the scooter mounted one ?

As I recall from my last visit there are no road markings and I am pretty certain parking restrictions signage is not in place. Each and all of these factors have to be present to validate such actions. Has any signage been erected since my last visit ?

At best this has to be a mis-understanding with an impact that will need mass annulment of all tickets issued.

I had a chat with him but didn’t think it was fair to take a photo of him. He’s just doing his job.

The signage is in place by the bays, so it’s probably a fair cop (not sure whether the bays need to have paint on them since they’re already demarcated from the footpath and the road by design), but it’s a failure of basic common sense. And I don’t think it helps the businesses along there.

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Agreed.

And in circumstances where council led problems (perhaps I should phrase it absence of effective council management) with the execution of the contracted works, has caused measurable financial distress to these businesses - how can Parking Enforcement reconcile their actions with that of the need to support and possibly compensate the affected businesses.

In any event the damage is done - people will vote with their wheels and will not risk getting tickets.

I have rechecked - and the permit to work on the highway has been extended by the council to 5 May 20218. It may the case that this permit means that ALL parking restrictions are suspended during the permits’ duration. Is there anyone out there with a more detailed knowledge of that legal interpretation able to advise further ?

I agree with your comment about not taking photos of the attendant - but for those caught up by the attendant’s actions - take pix of everything the ticket, the timing, the bays where you parked, the signage and ensure you highlight the absence of road markings.

This site can be accessed to make copies of the permit:

Hmm interesting dilemma - the permit is NOT listed on the Roadworks Register - that is a strange omission as council officers had reported that they were planning to extend it.

However here is a screen dump of the TfL Traffic Website that does the report the closure being in place.

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Whilst I sgree that without appropriate signage it will be difficult to enforce the tickets. However, where 30 minute limits are set and exceeded then the penalties are justified. Quick turnover of vehicles/customers will benefit the businesses as this means more possibilities to sell something.

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