Dartmouth Road Closure [Now Open]

A Lewisham parking attendant is going along the road now ticketing everyone in the new bays who’s been there more than 30 mins. It’s fine to park on the road, though.

This seems like an absolute failure of common sense to me.

(Also, I’m glad we walked today).

Absolute in the extreme.

Any pix of the attendant doing it ? Is it the scooter mounted one ?

As I recall from my last visit there are no road markings and I am pretty certain parking restrictions signage is not in place. Each and all of these factors have to be present to validate such actions. Has any signage been erected since my last visit ?

At best this has to be a mis-understanding with an impact that will need mass annulment of all tickets issued.

I had a chat with him but didn’t think it was fair to take a photo of him. He’s just doing his job.

The signage is in place by the bays, so it’s probably a fair cop (not sure whether the bays need to have paint on them since they’re already demarcated from the footpath and the road by design), but it’s a failure of basic common sense. And I don’t think it helps the businesses along there.

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Agreed.

And in circumstances where council led problems (perhaps I should phrase it absence of effective council management) with the execution of the contracted works, has caused measurable financial distress to these businesses - how can Parking Enforcement reconcile their actions with that of the need to support and possibly compensate the affected businesses.

In any event the damage is done - people will vote with their wheels and will not risk getting tickets.

I have rechecked - and the permit to work on the highway has been extended by the council to 5 May 20218. It may the case that this permit means that ALL parking restrictions are suspended during the permits’ duration. Is there anyone out there with a more detailed knowledge of that legal interpretation able to advise further ?

I agree with your comment about not taking photos of the attendant - but for those caught up by the attendant’s actions - take pix of everything the ticket, the timing, the bays where you parked, the signage and ensure you highlight the absence of road markings.

This site can be accessed to make copies of the permit:

Hmm interesting dilemma - the permit is NOT listed on the Roadworks Register - that is a strange omission as council officers had reported that they were planning to extend it.

However here is a screen dump of the TfL Traffic Website that does the report the closure being in place.

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Whilst I sgree that without appropriate signage it will be difficult to enforce the tickets. However, where 30 minute limits are set and exceeded then the penalties are justified. Quick turnover of vehicles/customers will benefit the businesses as this means more possibilities to sell something.

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Got to agree with that point in principle and probably in practice.

But specifically for periods of normal operation - and this is an abnormal period.

The immediate - and hopefully very short term effect - is to scare away any customers who drive and who may elect to show their support for the DR businesses over the next few days.

Is it beyond our council’s capabilities to communicate internally and spread a single message - what can we do to support the DR businesses? And Parking Enforcement - lay off for a few days until the scheme is finished.

Visited site and met @Pauline briefly. She says business was a little better today - I do hope this improvement was spread over the others.

Astonishingly and unexpectedly the concreted infill has had a layer of tarmac laid over and done very professionally.

This means the road had only one very temporary blockage that would taken just s few minutes to move with the fork lift device on site.

With that done the road could have opened today.

It could have remained open during business hours until 1st May and the closed for the evening works on that day with cycle being repeated for the next day.

So having gone the extra mile to lay the small piece of tarmac - the question is why was the road not opened fully for business.

The sign issue - new signs are not in place and some old signs remain. It can not be considered a complete or competent sign system upon which sound prosecutions could rely.

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Yep, trading today was good, hope it continues!

Got 4 15 year olds for a sleepover tonight!

Wish me luck, haha :slight_smile:

Pizza & popcorn done the trick :heart_eyes::heart_eyes:

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Great to see some equipment on site ready for tonight’s work.

Tarmac machine - load tarmac in one end and road surface comes out the other.

Road roller - everyone knows what these do.

Missing on site at 17:30 was the surface planer but confident that will turn up.

Too many cars still on site perhaps.

And oddly Kiers stlll have some material on the road carriageway.

A note for @ThorNogson - there probably won’t be a call for volunteers to drive the equipment.

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They’re on site now and preparing to start!

Cars left on the Road will be getting towed away very soon!

So defo on schedule for D Rd reopening this Friday WOOHOO :+1::+1::+1:

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:+1: - was so pleased to see the tarmacing trucks pulling up as I got home tonight!

Bring it on!

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Curtis also spraypainted the Road today to remind all there is NO PARKING from this evening!

Will do an update in about an hour :+1:

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Interesting - were the trucks full ?

They generally need them to arrive empty first and then take the dug up road surface away.

At the road surface relaying stage all the trucks turn up, reverse into and hook up to the surface machine and unload into the hopper.

You can tell - if they have hot tarmac onboard the steam rises from the back of the truck.

Adds to all the excitement.

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All empty, about 4 or 5 of them lining up by Thorpeward ready to be filled.

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One of these big boys from Tesco’s came into the Road this morning regardless of the ROAD CLOSED signs!

Done quite a bit of damage reversing into @BirdinHand frontage trying to turn around to exit.

Monica from Bird in Hand, Curtis from Keir, Police, and lots of locals including myself couldn’t believe it - took the driver almost an hour to turn his truck around, no major damage was done to the D Rd works after checking with Curtis though quite a bit of cosmetic work was damaged at Bird in Hand.

This happens around 9-10am this morning!

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Oh that smell! I’m like one of the Bisto kids when I smell tarmac lol

Might have to have a look later, do love a big machine.

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How strange - the smell is very evocative.

When we were kids and tarmac was laid by hand - we would try to walk on the sticky tarmac - and in a very Scottish sense you could get a good few extra miles on the soles of your shoes from the tarmac that stuck to them.

You had to be there !

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IT’S ALL GO HERE!

Les from LC & Curtis from Keir are definitely on the case & both are on site right now around 8pm for the first section being done coming down D Rd from the Library to Hair Lounge :+1:

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Great pix @pauline.

The second pic is of the surface planer which is milling up the road surface and and passing that material up the conveyor belt to be dumped into a lorry for removal.

The material can be recycled after processing as aggregate into the next hot tarmac mix.

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Won’t be able to give another update until tomorrow sometime :slight_smile:

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