“These people could be shielded if they so choose while the healthy get on with life and support the economy to support the vulnerable”
Whilst I appreciate the frustrations clearly felt being part of society involves recognising the impact of ones’ actions on the rest of society. Those vulnerable to Covid have lives, jobs and families too. The disabled people I work with have children of school age, jobs, families, the need for carers fo come into their homes and to have hospital visits. We can’t just lock “them” away as a nebulous ‘other’ and let everyone else go back to pretending this never happened. Those vulnerable to Covid are my friends, co-workers, elderly parents etc, people who’s lives are as important and valid as anyone else’s.
Well I have been done today at a Lambeth vaccine centre as my GP is still in my former locale.
I am a few years under the 45 plus age group but got an invite this week from my GP - they must be racing through them.
All very quick and efficient. No effects yet but planning a very easy weekend just in case.
When this is over I think we will remember those who threw a tantrum and refused to play their small part protecting people and helping get us back to normality.
I have just been vaccinated. I am healthy and very low risk for Covid but for vaccines to work as intended we need enough of the “herd” to take them up. I see it as my civic duty.
Given what is happening in India right now, it seems like an incredibly poor time to resume this COVID conspiracy nonsense.
There are plenty of vaccines that practically every one in the UK takes as children. They don’t just exist to protect the person receiving the vaccination, but to provide the herd immunity that protects those who cannot or have not received it. They have saved countless lives.
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Read 1984 my friend. You are being played I’m afraid. I wish you all the positivity there is. Break the fear and you are free. Lockdowns are utterly immoral. People claim to believe in Society, but you do not. Not really. It’s something you say but don’t feel. You think it can be switched off. It cannot. We will fight, and win, for what is right. Freedom. Take care. x
Orwell made some astute observations and predictions, but I personally don’t believe they apply here, my friend.
By the way, Orwell died in 1950 of Tuberculosis - a once prevalent disease for which we now routinely vaccinate children…
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Tell that to the people in India that are facing one of the most devastating surges of the pandemic so far.
The human suffering, like the suffering of the families of the 150,000 people dead in the UK, is horrific.
Please take your conspiracies elsewhere.
Sigh. Hiding under my duvet? Like a lot of people I have been out working all through this in a key worker role, supporting people and organisations.
What have you done? Except spread nonsense online.
I was told there is some hesitancy in the younger age groups so they are going down the lists. Got mine on Friday at Guys (I’m 44). More fool the sceptics, I hope the vulnerable aren’t harmed.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about the vaccines. I don’t believe an adult will be easily swayed one way or another by reading something on this forum.
Indeed they are. The faux concern gets me. No one is loving this, it is horrible. If the poster was genuinely concerned about the impact of lockdown they would be volunteering and taking their vaccine.
As others have said it is pretty bad taste as we are daily watching India descend in to hell. That is what uncontrolled Covid and an overwhelmed health service looks like and it is terrifying.
Yeah I don’t think many of those people marching today were very normal mate…
So you’re virulently opposed to lockdowns, and the mechanism by which we can begin opening up the country without endangering the vulnerable?
Personally I think you’re completely selfish and this isn’t the first time on this forum I’ve seen this half-baked Qanon nonsense from you. You’re not fighting for “freedom” and “society”, you’re having a tantrum because you don’t like what you can’t control.
I’ll agree with you that there is a rift in society, between those with empathy and those without.
Been taking the train into work lately due to lack of parking on site and I keep getting told on the train’s intercom that “BTP and TfL officials are patrolling the network” yet I’ve never seen any. If we’d taken the pandemic seriously from the get go then life changing fines should’ve been issued to those who protested last summer.
I actually think that lockdowns are disasters in economic and social terms, and that should be acknowledged. An example here is me as a person based in Canary Wharf - I can work perfectly well at home, but the catering and cleaning staff in those far off towers are furloughed and in due course may be unemployed. If lockdowns carried on ad-infinitum, then there would be very bad medical impacts as well. That needs to be acknowledged.
The question is whether lockdowns are required to avoid an even worse disaster. I would argue that in pre-vaccine days, yes; now with a large proportion of the population vaccinated, then I hope that we do not return to lockdowns.
However, I cannot not deny that opening up will not lead to some extra cases, some of which will be hospitalised and some will lead to death. It will not be possible to go back to a situation where there is not some risk in my opinion. But trying to avoid any risk will be unacceptable as that would mean prolonging lockdown ad infinitum. Mr Whitty made the point that society has accepted flu deaths being higher in some years and that is where we will, I am afraid, need to get to with Covid.
My encouragement would be to take the vaccines and the lateral flow tests - not to eliminate Covid - that will not happen - but to reduce it.
To add my final word, I spoke to friend this morning who has extended family in India. A fairly well off middle class family. Her uncle died at home yesterday of Covid - unable to access a hospital bed. Her 40 something cousin is very sick, gasping for air but there is no oxygen or hospital beds to be had. Most of the family are sick. Things are bad and getting worse there.
This is not made up or “just flu”.
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