I didn’t see that what I said was “whiny”, I’m sorry you read it that way. My intention in sharing so honestly was to raise questions and encourage critical thought as I find it strange that we just accept laws imposed on us arbitrarily from above as being “right”. I’ve accepted the consequences of being “caught” on camera driving at 26mph, fair dos. But do I think I was posing a danger to anyone else? No.
I am not interested in debating speed limits or how safe you think your driving is.
I agree with you that the world’s gone mad. That we are just accepting of this state creep is pretty alarming. Snitching on someone for driving at 26mph might not concern you (boy, you might even enjoy it) but will you be so accepting of state sanctioned snooping when someone grasses you up for sneaking that extra slice of cheesecake when rations are introduced? You jest about Hungary, but the way things are going it’s not beyond the realms of possibility. Be careful what you wish for.
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My mistake.
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And herein lies the problem
It’s also been used quite effectively if malignly by individuals against individuals.
Hi not Chris, welcome to the forum! (sorry, hashtag dad-jokes)
I’m sorry to hear you got caught speeding, the best way to avoid this is to keep the speed under the posted limit. Remember it’s a limit, not a target.
But that’s how democracy works. Admittedly it’s tricky to find a party who advocates raising speed limits in town, or even advocating for controlling speeding cyclists (as mentioned further up the thread - there was a recent government petition about this that was thrown out.)
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I would consider it a bonus, cars and all things related to cars are really quite dull. I have no interest really in talking about how good or not individual drivers may be. The speed limit is there for all drivers - boy racers, novices and 50 year old advanced driving practitioners.
Equally I am not about to go around monitoring speeding - I pay my taxes for police and speed cameras to do that.
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All this on the day that the PM is fined for having a party in his garden - but only because his next door neighbour was taking photos.
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And his next door neighbour is?..
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I really am not “Chris”. And I’m really not against speed limits. The introduction of 20mph limits brought my speed down by 10mph, and I’m good with that. I’m just saying there are always nuances. It’s actually extremely difficult to keep to 20mph (or less) when the roads are completely empty. And it’s absurd to say it posed a danger to anyone. As someone said above, the attention required to keep an eye on the speedometer to maintain an artificially- and unnecessarily (given the circumstances)- low speed is far more dangerous than driving at a natural speed with both eyes fully on the road.
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Hang on, so Mary’s just confessed to driving at just “a tad under 30mph” - are we all going to be reporting her?
Which is a really great example of what I’m talking about. Do you think if they really believed that having a garden party posed a risk, was such a dangerous thing to do that it merited a ban, they would have been hosting and attending them?
If they don’t think it is dangerous then they should not impose the restrictions and handing out fines to other people. The issue is not people expecting enforcement, but setting laws that some people may not agree with (including the PM, his ethics officer, and all his staff). Once the laws have been set we should complain about enforcement by police officers or law-abiding members of the public.
But the truth is that the roads are packed with drivers going above the speed limits when they think they can get away with it.
I’m afraid I don’t understand your reply
Well I was in a 30mph zone, so I blooming well hope not 
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Fair enough!
Although I would say that leads us back to the question why, if driving at 30mph is inherently unsafe, do some roads have 30mph limits, some 20mph, some 50mph etc? The answer must be that driving at 30mph is not inherently unsafe.
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If you think really hard you might find the answer to your own question.
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Which post are you responding to?
Rishi Sunak (remainder of content removed at request of admin).