Road Closures

The whole article is all over the place. Later on it says

“London Ambulance Service claimed they reached the first patient within their target of 18 minutes for a category 2 emergency call.”

Also if they’re really in a rush they’ll literally park in the middle of the road. I doubt they’d ever drive around for 20 mins looking for parking rather than walking 40 yards - that sounds like some kind of random anecdote. Must have been at least 20 mins guv.

It sounds like it’s the council’s fault for not issuing keys and updating the emergency services properly - they should know exactly which roads are closed and where.

Might be poor reporting by the Evening Standard, here, but I think it’s clear that the bollards hampered the ambulance. We could argue all day as to whether this created a delay of five minutes or fifteen minutes.

The critical point is that a delayed ambulance, even for sixty seconds, will mean the difference between life or death.

Imagine if this were your mother or father dying on the street while an ambulance driver fumbles around looking for keys to a bollard (potentially multiple bollards).

Imagine how you’d feel in the ambulance, clasping the hands of your loved one, light fading in their eyes, as the driver stops to unlock and put the bollard down, gets back in, drives through the gate, stops again, gets out to put the bollard back up, locks it into place… then reaches another bollard… etc…

:thinking: Glad you asked, I’d think:

‘Although my time on this fine earth is coming to a close, I’m glad that I lived long enough to see these safer streets measures introduced so future generations can live healthier, happier lives.’

Cue Brian Eno track playing me out. Camera fades to black.

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@andy :smile:

The problem here is not the road closures, which have good aims, but the lack of co-ordination and care in rolling them out.

Neighbouring boroughs were not consulted, signage was inadequate and lead to drivers getting caught in dead-ends, planters and bollards were not correctly spaced to prevent people bipassing them and emergency responders have been needlessly disrupted on more than one occasion.

All of this just generates needless friction and further polarises opinion on what could have been a lot more positive and beneficial if managed with more care.

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If you want to play ‘what if’ then what if we hadn’t closed the road and a rat running motorist killed a kid because he/she was doing 40mph down a residential street. This happens far more often than an ambulance needing access. What if my metaphorical father hadn’t died prematurely from air pollution. These news stories are concocted to make a one sided point pro motorists. If you want I can link you to the fabulous article in the Daily Mail this week which shows shock horror empty bicycle lanes! Half of which are actually pedestrian street widening areas that look like bike lanes. They’re taking people for a ride that they want to go on and half the time they have no idea what they’re talking about.

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Yes as a parent I am not happy about the impact of the road closures on traffic near Forest Hill school and Mayow park.

I am in agreement with reducing car use but it feels like these road closure measures are being put into place in isolation without looking at the bigger picture.
Students are being encouraged to walk or cycle to school but no extra provision has been put in place to make the roads adjacent to the school safer. There have already been a number of deaths and accidents on Mayow road so this is a real danger not just an inconvenience.
There is already a petition asking for proper pedestrian crossings on Mayow Road but nothing has happened as yet.

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The lack of extra buses or a school service on the 75 route is also a bit baffling.

We could definitely benefit from a more joined up approach to all this.

That said we still have diesel generators powering Aldi 24/7 just 350m away from Heseltine Primary.

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Is there a link for the petition?
Kids crossing for school was bad enough before the closures came about.
I know they are using more entrances to get the boys in. But it will end up going back to main gate, with increased traffic for them to try and cross the road.

Yep, see this topic Make Mayow Road Safer, or a direct link to the petition:

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Thank you :+1:

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Seems that’s not quite the case:

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This is deliberately misleading propaganda attempting to justify chaos, upheaval and tens of thousands of lives being turned upside down.

The implication that every bus journey now has 43 passengers looking for an alternative means of transport is simply not true and it is dishonest of the originator of the graphic to suggest so.

Buses do not run full, and certainly aren’t anywhere near full now. Anyone who wants to make a bus journey can do so, or use the totally under-utilised tube network.

Using a superficially credible but completely misleading argument to justify the nightmare that is being thrust upon some of the most vulnerable members of our society is appalling. We’ve probably already had the first death at St George’s due to a blue light ambulance being stuck on Balham High Road.

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This was supposed to be under the graphic showing a nonsense justification for current policies. I can’t see how to reply inline.

there’s no ‘inline’ via the forum, don’t worry - you can see the comment you responded to by clicking my username at the top right of your post.

Ok, but there are replies under your original post?

I’ve added a quote to your post to help show the context

Thanks!

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Why is it always propaganda when it doesn’t align with your world view? You’ll note all the sources quoted at the bottom are .gov websites, so now the government is pushing propaganda? I’m actually confused now.

That’s the beauty of the graphic. It has nothing to do with TfL or the government. It was put together by a cycle lobbyist to defend/support the LTNs/TfL. The links are genuine but only support individual assertions, not the core argument. Totally false but very clever and unfortunately It has been accepted and reposted by many organisations, including Wandsworth council and the local Labour group.

I hope you can see the logic gap. The 43 travellers for every bus journey looking for another option do not exist, let alone justify the plans it claims they do,