Lewisham planning to use Experimental Traffic Orders?

Streetscape
#42

I used this term to describe people who have publicly supported authoritarian council policy. It’s a factual description of behaviour.

The other commenter:

  • reduced the whole debate to a “we’re right, you’re wrong” in tit-for-tat style
  • claimed to know “what’s best for the community”
  • further claimed that anyone who disagreed with him was motivated only by self interest (presumption of malice).

There’s a difference between challenging people’s behaviour and attacking people’s character.

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#43

I wasnt asking you.

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#44

This is a public part of the forum. If you wanted to have an exclusive convo with the mods about someone’s posts, you should PM them (in fact, the guidelines make clear you should have done so)

#46

It was nice of you to explain your point of view about your remark thanks. The polite note from @Londondrz regarding balance about @starman s remarks led me to believe it would be fine to discuss it here.

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#47

I made no sweeping generalisations. As I’m sure other commentators haven’t either.

#48

But I was not posting as a mod, merely as an interested party.

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#49

Which bit is not sweeping or are you only aware of one person who feels this way? Posts above leads me to believe there may be more.

But this is the whole point of an open forum, for everyone to express an opinion and long may it continue.

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#50

Great news https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/152128-e-scooters-could-be-legal-in-the-uk-in-june.amphtml
Escooters could be legal in June.

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#51

Do you think they would be for the road or pavement? I’m not sure which would be best \ would be safest for all.

#52

I think they would put the scooters on the road.

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#53

Surely not the pavement? If they must be legalised then they should be licensed and insured, the same as any other motorised vehicle, and keep to the roadways. They are far too dangerous to pedestrians to allow their use on pavements.

#54

eScooters hard no from me. Unless you have to do basic training like for motorbikes and even then I think people should still have to do a theory. I get the stance for push bikes so there isn’t a barrier for adoption. But scooters are so dangerous on the road and need enhancing for road use. Definitely shouldn’t be allowed on pavements. It’s bad enough dodging the little kids on scooters…

Sorry I know they’re popular with some
People and good for environment. But infrastructure just isn’t there yet.

#56

Very cool! We have a topic discussing e-scooters in the @geeks group if anyone’s interested: /se23.life/t/would-you-buy-an-electric-scooter/11195

Hopefully scooters will be forced to use the roads not the pavements… and hopefully the council will attend to potholes. Hitting a ten inch pothole with eight inch wheels would be disastrous.

Obviously narrowing roads (per the council’s plans) will put scooter users, cyclists etc under increased risk of collision, so hopefully the council will rethink this daft policy.

#57

It’s hard enough riding a normal scooter with this issue, I have gone head over heels after hitting a large pebble. Maybe the ones with pneumatic off-road tyres for me then.

#61

I think many on this open forum have capably described the selfish behaviour of others during this crisis particulary @marymck who has capably provided a number of examples both in behaviour and action. So I suppose the simple answer to your question is there are many people in our community and even those outside it who I describe and I stand by the description. I cannot fathom why anyone could not agree that during this crisis pedestrians and cyclists should have access to additional space particularly in the face of vastly reduced road usage and that our governments at all level would wish to consider this. To further seek to critisize those who support those actions with ad hominems seems completely off the mark and certainly fails to take other opinions into play.

A good time to remind local residents to make their thoughts known, and to make recommendations for measures at this site.

Glad you think that way. Shame it permits some to make baseless strawman arguments, but hey… these are strange times we are in and hypocrisy is rife.

#62

I’m not quite sure I’ve seen an e-scooter in use yet which either didn’t use the pavement, or look like a crash in waiting.

#64

Escooters are amazing. Ofc there are many suitable needs for standard cars and trucks but we mostly don’t need tonne hulks of metal carrying around single passengers for the most part. How we get there I’ve no idea but hopeful the current situation gives an opportunity to try.

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#73

You shouldn’t put things in quotes if they’re not quotes, people might think you’re quoting someone instead of presenting your subjective views as something objective. Just like calling “authoritarian council policy” a “factual description” when it’s clearly your subjective view. (Note correct use of quotation marks).

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"Yer not from round 'ere" - should we challenge posts from non-SE23 residents?
#74

Also, thinking people have self interest isn’t presumption of malice. Everyone has self interests, and some have a disproportionate impact on those around them and merit conversation. Referring to that as a presumption of malice is wrong and clearly not what I said.

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#75

Okay - we’re getting a bit off topic here again. Clearly it’s an issue that attracts strong opinions, but please can we all keep the discussion civilized and on topic, following all the community guidelines here: /se23.life/faq#civilized

Also please if you see a problem, flag it rather than tarnish other positive discussion here.

Thank you.

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