Domino’s have had two applications on this locale rejected - mainly because both required change of use considerations and this opened their applications to a wider number of criteria that had to be considered.
They are not the type of organisation who will continue to “do over” the same types of application that result in failure.
They have learned their lesson and have found a location that does not require change of use - and this significantly limits the list of valid criteria that planning officers can consider.
So a measure of pragmatism must kick in.
Your local councillors are not constrained by this shorter list - unlike their officers.
Address your concerns directly to them. Their views will be taken into consideration and they can potentially influence sitting members of which ever sub-committee will consider this application.
Sitting members can and do make decisions independently of the recommendations made by officers, ignoring any constraints - and this is a perfectly valid approach.
Alternatively get in touch immediately with Domino’s and insist that they use electric-powered bikes/mopeds.
i would not possibly propose that this is a horse trade - but to encourage Domino to give you the quieter option, you could suggest that the possibility of dropping objections might be achievable.
Apologies all for my inference that this is a HOP-only topic.
That wasn’t really my intention. I only felt the discussion was getting cliquey and dominated by one or two people from the “for” camp, and this might discourage their participation of the many local HOP residents who are “against.”
To be clear, all of SE23 and beyond are welcome to comment on this topic and others, provided the usual guidelines are followed of course.
Hi All,
I think the chap (who owns the fish and chip business) owns the whole building and as far as I know he lives above it . So he could either be leasing the business out to dominos or sold the business retaining the property upstairs.
I’ve just read through this whole post and would say it was as dominated as much by you in the ‘against’ camp as by those in the for camp. For what it’s worth, I am an HOPer and whilst I’d prefer the chippy I often think I am the only place keeping that going as it is never busy. And realistically whatever replaces it is going to do some sort of delivery, either it’s own or through deliveroo like mama dough, Chandos, Babur, clumsy mole do. So I’m pretty ambivalent about it. Will I use a dominoes? Unlikely. Does that matter? No. HOP and surrounding area is very diverse and different people want different things.
Do you see my point about a vocal minority, though? If 50%+ of posts come from a few people representing a 15%-mindshare opinion, then we’re hearing a vocal minority, and that’s not healthy for inclusive debate IMO
Where did you get 15% from? A poll on this site? Not sure that’s a particularly accurate basis for you to determine whether it’s a vocal minority or majority and who should be allowed to speak. Surely the entire point of you setting up this site was to allow debate and discourse and not to boil everything down to a series of polls to determine who can/can’t talk about a topic? Anyway this is getting off topic but I really value the views from outside my immediate area as well as being able to share views on things that aren’t in HOP ie bell green, that terrible ‘Aladdin’s cave shop’, Superdrug vs boots.
In some situations it can be unfair when people far from the consequences of a development get involved in the planning process - particularly when their motivations are different from the unfortunate few who suffer the side-effects.
I submitted an objection to the planning application, but have not been invited to this meeting… Doesn’t seem very fair or transparent.
Are others in a similar position? Quite a few people replied to the original thread saying that they had complained but so far only one person on this thread has mentioned being informed of the meeting by the council. Hope nothing untoward is going on here…
Lewisham officers are not always as diligent as they should be and sometimes - some would say too frequently - do not conform to their own stated procedures.
The officer dealing with the case is named in an earlier post - email the officer immediately and ask why you have not been notified and have not been offered the opportunity to attend.
Include in your email a request that if you are not to be invited - for whatever reason - that the officer cancel and re-schedule the meeting.
I agree & assume everybody who had complained had been invited …in case it’s not very clear to see from my copy the name of the officer is:
Samuel Jones Planning officer South area team e-mail planning@lewisham.gov.uk
I’ve got the letter as I made a complaint, as it says it’s an informal drop in then anyone can turn up, worth spreading the word around in case there are people who would like to come but didn’t get the letter.
As someone with planning objection experience (up to DoE level) I can advise that the objection has to be based on the application. Fish&chips or Dominos is not mentioned in the draft I have viewed, so unless there is some basis for objection based on the application per se then objecting as to whether it is Pizza hut, Dominos or some other fast food vendor is irrelevant to the application.
It is not a change of use, so some may be disappointed when the Planner tells them their objections are irrelevant.
Yes I agree about the owner being intent on selling up, but ANOTHER pizza place? When I spoke to him yesterday he said he wouldn’t set up a cafe as there is one next door, so why another pizza place? Maybe an Indian otherwise as it’s now looking as though it has to be a restaurant/takeaway of some sort?