If you know Sam, then perhaps you could find out what part Dominos plays in all this, as was first put forward & what I thought this meeting has been convened for.
Surely the same can be said for many businesses. Someone suffers somewhere for other peoples benefits.
Thatâs for an entirely different address, what is now Mamma Dough on a large corner site. The fish and chip shop is already a hot food takeaway and i presume is already A5 use not A1
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Indeedy I was just to answer some of hop cross buns query. Should have replied to message
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I understood why you put the post up, as the reason it is now being challenged is the same as before!
Surely the application was challenged before as a change of use from sit-in restaurant to takeaway?
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So are we going to have an opportunity to voice our concerns about the noise and safety issues that will inevitably arise from a load of extra mopeds tearing around HOP? Plenty already cut through the barriers at the junctions around Gabriel Street and Grierson Road/Bovill Road/Garthorne Road. It seems ridiculous that weâre not going to be âallowedâ to talk about it in the planning meeting.
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They wonât stop you talking about it, but they wonât take any notice as it is not a possible reason for refusal given that there is no change of use and that the existing fish and chip shop could legitimately have a whole shoal of mopeds without any additional permission.
If there is a continuing problem with moped riding on the pavement (to cut through barriers), then this is something that you may wish to bring to the attention of the police. Perhaps @SgtBiddle and @CroftonParkSNT would be able to keep and eye out for naughty moped (as @ForestHillSNT did for mopeds around London Road).
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It happens all the time! @SgtBiddle and @CroftonParkSNT it would be great to have you keeping these mopeds in check if you can. Iâm hoping the Dominos ones will be better behaved.
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Thereâs a big disincentive for a Dominoâs delivery person to do this, surely? Compared to Deliveroo (which could be coming from different places), they tend to be easily identifiable and with the shop so close, they wonât want people to be going in and complaining.
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For clarity, Lewishamâs planning committee did not reject Dominoâs as a possible tenant back in 2011. They rejected Dominoâs application to change the use of that unit to Class A5 for hot food takeway. The difference is subtle but significant.
As many have already pointed out, 56 Honor Oak Park (56HOP) is already classified as A5 for hot food takeaway. So realistically any new tenant in the hot food takeaway business could use these premises. Dominoâs would not even need to seek planning permission if they werenât making any significant changes to the shop front, layout or plant works. Given the growing reliance on delivered food, it would seem likely that any new tenant would be largely reliant on a delivery fleet of mopeds whether their own or using Deliveroo or Uber Eats (or similar), whether they were the second or third outlet of a growing local, independent fast food outlet or another different national chain.
So it seems to me that a lot of energy is being used to affect the outcome but in the wrong place. The Lewisham planning committee has no control in who uses 56HOP as long as they operate within the confines of the buildingâs class use.
If there is truly an anti-Dominos sentiment in HOP, then perhaps peopleâs energy is best used directing their angst at Dominoâs themselves. A kind of grass roots effort to show Dominos that they are not welcome, and by association that if they did open a branch no one would use it. There have been similar campaigns all over the country though usually associated with national super market chains like Tesco. Many are listed here.
But beware. Successful local objection to a national retail brand like Dominos could become a clear signal to other major brands⌠like Waitrose or M&S. Those areas which have successfully diverted a local Tescos is usually opposed to any national chain. If you want a good mix of local independents and higher end national chains, then this might not be a good road to follow.
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Without meaning to be too picky, but there is no legal signage which indicates mopeds are NOT allowed to pass through, to and from Gabriel St. The gate does not block the entire road, but leaves a gap, which one would assume is for cycles of sorts.
There are no prohibition signs, just a physical obstacle preventing larger vehicles from passing through. So I would be curious to know if indeed it is the legal intention, to prevent motorised two wheeled vehicles at all.
The only signage makes mention of emergency vehicles, and not blocking it, as well as cycle path signs.
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I take it all back, a friend noticed thisâŚ
So at least in one direction, it is signed as NO through road except for cycles.
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Phew - I was beginning to think Iâd imagined it!
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I understand where you are coming from, but there is already 2 pizza places in Honor Oak Park. My argument with the letter is that itâs completely ignoring this!!
The point is that the number of pizza places in an area is not the responsibility of the planning department.
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Le Querce, Chandos, Mamma Dough, Express Pizza. Four places serving pizza within a few hundred metre radius 
Not that Iâm complaining 
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Sadly that is not relevant to planning consideration. As frustrating as it might be.