Caravans on Portakabin Site, Waldram Crescent

I believe a lot of people have success with FixMyStreet, and that a lot of councils like Lewisham now rely on this for reports. There is a really handy app, and you submit photos with additional information. They’ll endeavour to keep you up to date on action as well.

But it was through this I also found out the council has limitations. There was a fairly substantial flytip on the stretch of Sunderland Road which is part of the South Circular. But it was on the private part of the shops/properties not on public land. So all the council could do was try to reach out to the property owner. It eventually went but under what circumstance I don’t know.

I presume the same issue will arise with the waste left behind at this site.

Yes I also reported it through Fix My Street and sent the photos and the rubbish was cleared fairly promptly by the Council. But will reporting it through Fix My Street just get the rubbish removed - do the fly tippers themselves face any consequence? Unless the fly tippers actually get fined they’ll carry on doing it. It was a waste removal company that left the waste on my street, so it’s pretty annoying that they are getting paid for removing rubbish, dumping it and the Council pick up the bill for actually disposing of it when Council budgets are already stretched to the limit.

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Actually I don’t know. I have heard tell of council officials looking for clues to the source of the flytip. Some are stupid enough to include envelopes with names and addresses. And since 2016 councils can apply a fixed penalty notice without the need to go to the courts. If they do, they have to have some pretty solid evidence and witness statements which along with CCTV or photos can be helpful.

I guess it depends on whether the effort is worth the price. But as Lewisham spent over 1m in clearing up flytipping last year I would hope they would.

I doubt though anything would be recovered from the sorts who did this mess.

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I doubt that the authorities can collect a fine if they don’t know where these people have gone.

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Somehow I imagine the group will be quickly reported to authorities at their next stop. I don’t think they would be difficult to track down - if there was a will.

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The gate is now secured by a large chain and padlock.

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It appears travellers have returned to the Girton Road car park in Sydenham.

https://sydenham.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19103

I walked past the site yesterday lunchtime. There was a security van parked in the site, with another man taking photos of all the rubbish left.

I hope someone got photos of all the caravan numberplates so they can be traced in future.

The numberplate of the truck is included (in text) in one of the posts above. Now if someone Googles the numberplate they’ll be able to see this thread:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="84-tn-3452"

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Reported gone within 24 hours.

Your surely not thinking any number plates on there vehicles or caravan will lead back to them ?

If they dont use cloned plates then they just make them up as they go along, the police cant even pick them out on ANPR cameras .

I meant that if anyone spots them in their next encampment, a google search will bring up this page.

They may, of course, ditch the numberplate every time they move.

From my earlier days I found out that on average around 200 tonnes of fly tip rubbish were collected by Lewisham every month.

To me this was a staggering amount of non respect for our environment. You would not do it in your house. Then again some people do and don’t see it as their problem.

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The caravans had all gone, he was taking photos of the rubbish left.

Just spotted caravans in the car park outside the closed down Toys r Us in Lower Sydenham :grimacing: Who should it be reported to?

Could you post a photo please?

Sorry, not there now and never thought to take photos.

Were there any prosecutions?

Passing this morning it looks as if much of the rubbish has been cleared. There was also a branded Portacabin van and crew on site.