Bampton Estate, the possibility of a new building next to Standlake Point

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#204

And the clarification email came through:

Dear Resident,

This email is to clarify and correct matters from that sent yesterday 10th May 2018 in relation to the Bampton Estate. The application has been consulted on correctly in accordance with the Councils Statement of Community Involvement with regard to the planning application but the local meeting date of the 5th June is next to the Local assembly meeting in Perry Vale ward on the 6th June.

It has therefore been concluded by officers that the local meeting date should be arranged (date tbc) in order for the Local assembly meeting to go ahead and any queries in relation to the Bampton scheme brought up at that meeting can be presented to officers for answer ahead of the Bampton local meeting.

You will be notified in writing of a revised local meeting date shortly, and apologies for any confusion caused as a result of the previous email.

Kind Regards,

LBL Planning Team
London Borough Of Lewisham Planning Department
3rd Floor, Laurence House, Catford, SE6 4RU

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#205

The 2018 application has been withdrawn and a slightly smaller scheme has now been proposed.
Ref. DC/19/112918

https://planning.lewisham.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_LEWIS_DCAPR_100833

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#206

And, thanks mainly to @kat.standlake.point it’s retained a ball court.
Boy, did that lady do some work to try to get the best outcome here!

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#207

Well, it isn’t over and a number of local people don’t want to loose the green space or see the ball court moved - both of which are included in the new application.

On behalf of a number of residents, the Forest Hill Society has requested Lewisham council to consider whether this green space and play area can be considered an Asset of Community Value.

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#208

As a close neighbour of @kat.standlake.point I can only echo this statement. She has been so determined and never given up. I salute you @kat.standlake.point for your tenacity and continuing to fight for what you believe in - even from afar xx

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#209

An impressive lady, I wish her well in her continuing challenge.

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#210

With the love and appreciation being shown here for @kat.standlake.point, who is after all just a local resident as opposed to being a member of this or that, can we vote to award her some high honour for her selfless and monumental efforts please?

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#211

I think it only deserving and as another upstanding member of the community you get to name the award!!

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#212

The Forest Hill Society has received confirmation that their request to recognise Bampton Estate Green as an Asset of Community Value has been successful.

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#213

Hello everyone, sorry if I’m posting in the wrong place but this is the only forum I found regarding the subject. I haven’t gone through all the thread yet but obviously recognise that people are protesting and are not being heard. I am new to the area, I live in Standlake Point. Just got a letter talking about a meeting held on 3.10 in late evening hours that I am not able to attend, since I have a little baby and it’s just not doable for me. I’ve seen a 70-smth pages document on the council site that serves information in such a confusing way for me that I honestly don’t understand what I’m reading (being foreign doesn’t really help hehe). Do I understand correctly that the recommendation is to GRANT the permission for this project? Is this really it? Is the decision made and there is nothing that can be done? I did join the protest by sending out my objections but honestly reading that document I don’t see nothing that would convince me that there is any consideration for us existing residents whatsoever. I have water dripping from my ceiling and window frames when it rains and no one seems to care, my boiler breaks regularly cause of low water pressure and it takes the council 3 weeks to fix it etc etc and on the top of that I’d have to put up with noise, dirt, thank God I live up high so no one will be peaking though my windows… I am honestly speechless.
So now… is there anything else I can do? No way I can be there at the meeting can’t organise childcare for that night. Another letter? Is it too late? I know I’m new to this and all of you have been probably through this since the moment that this project was brought to light, but I just find the way the council goes about it absolutely ridiculous. 5 minutes for the representative to talk about the objections? Somewhere between 7 and 10 pm? Really?? Is this normal here or are we just special?
Please please if there’s anything more I can do please let me know. And THANK YOU for all that you have done so far to contest the proposal. I am honestly crying my little heart out thinking about how this is going to influence our life.

#214

Welcome Marta.
I sympathise with your frustration regarding the Planning process, but it really is a very technical subject and it takes a very long time to even start to be able to get your head around it. To cut a long story short though, within that 70 page report, the local planners will have acknowledged every objection and weighed it up against national and local Planning Policies, existing and emerging, and taken their position to recommend permission. One of the things that people don’t understand is that local authorities face a strict obligation and extreme pressure from government to use land to provide new housing.
Regarding the condition of your flat, you should contact Lewisham Homes and remind them of their obligations under the new Fitness For Human Habitation legislation and demand that they start taking steps to deal with the leaks etc immediately.
Good luck with everything.

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#215

Hi John,
Thank you for your reply (man that was quick​:slightly_smiling_face:). I hear you, trust me coming from a country that nowadays offers practically no social housing I do agree all the way that housing is needed and I appreciate the pressure that the council is experiencing, what I don’t understand is why is that pressure more important that the pressure of the residents of existent buildings. It has been pointed out repeatedly, why people are scared of that project, and the only response was to authorise it anyway, and oh yeah, modify it cause someone didn’t sell their little house to the council, from 3 stories to 6. Right outside our windows. As I said, I live up high I shouldn’t care, but I do! 6 floors times 2 flats that’s 12 families in our building that from now on will be able to watch the telly in their neighbours flat without visiting, and vice versa. I’m guessing you’re not one of them? :wink: How is that humane conditions of living, sorry but I don’t understand. Also, I highly doubt that any elderly person will be happy to live on 5th or 6th floor, but still the project goes ahead as if nothing happens (how exactly they plan to evacuate the building in case of emergency? Running them up and down the stairs? Not exactly ideal you must agree). There’s fires all over London, just seen a new block burnt down recently, and the project is stating they are going to be using timber? Also what I brought up is how. Why the meetings are held at times that are basically excluding people like me, with little kids, to be able to attend and protest. Why is the communication sent in a way that you have to go through 70 pages document to be able to actually find out what’s going on. I don’t know, it just seems to me that this is not the way things should be done, but hey what do I know. Obviously as I understand from your answer I’m too late with all that anyway, so no point in moaning. I will definitely take your advice as to my flats condition… not that I didn’t try doing that before :grinning: let me just tell you as an anecdote my boiler broke down again the day I wrote this post and I just wonder… how long it will take for them to finally change the heating into electrical, how many days I will have to wait for them to change it (as I said, last time… 3 weeks, in march, with a 6 months old in the house… no emergency heating offered​:+1:). Anyway rant over… there’s surely no other plots in possession of the council… it has to be here… and the way they want… let it be.
Ps. Sorry for the late response, I’m travelling at the moment back in Poland… where I’m staying at my mums who had a building built 12 meters away from her windows about five years ago, so I can at least practise what it’s going to feel like in the near future​:joy::+1: All the best John!

#216

Not now, but, trust me, I’ve lived in conditions that were worse than that! Try holes in walls where you could look into another family’s flat, communal cooking facilities for 10 families, communal bathroom with 5 baths in it.

Anyway, this isn’t about me. I wasn’t commenting-on or condoning Lewisham’s stance - I was merely offering a friendly heads-up. This might at least help you with rationalising the Planning side of things Planning Statement, or maybe it’s the document you referred to in your first message? As I said though, Planning is a highly technical subject.

#217

Dear All,

The proposed development (phase 2, amended) was voted yesterday at the planning committee A to go ahead.

It was a done deal and the chair of the committee, Cllr Walsh during the session was speaking about the application as if it had already been approved, it was just a matter of details.

I have recently learned a new word phrase - concrete jungle. What I witnessed yesterday was political jungle. There was never a question if the new building would go ahead, that was already decided without us well before the consultations. The question was with how massive development they can get away.

I am disgusted with Cllr Wise who never told us openly and fairly ( wich would have given us an opportunity to find support from external councillors if the local cannot support and represent us) that she was in favor of the proposed development together with Cllr Paschoud who were sitting together with the applicant. If we new from the start that that their position, we would fairly accepted that and our actions would have taken a different approach.

I wrote yesterday to Cllr Wise and will forward my email to her to the press with our Bampton story so the disgrace we witnessed yesterday will not go unnoticed.

Thank you all for being with us all these 2,5 years of battle. My message is SPEAK UP. Do not keep quiet, defend your rights, work together as a community. Local councillors, local government, the government are elected and employed to make our live bettet, safe, protect and prosperous. We are contributors to public funds and have a right to voice how the country, Boroughs shoul be managed to prosper, benefit and safeguard our lives and future.

Without prejudice,

Dear Cllr Wise,

I was shocked and disgusted to see what you have done today at the planning committee meeting. You have been elected to support people, communities of Perry Vale Ward. Instead, you supported Lewisham Homes, ALOM of Lewisham Council delivering a speech in support of the planning application. You told me in the email that you cannot speak at this meeting because of the conflict of interests and yet you spoke in the favor of the planning application in addition to the applicant time giving extra time in their favour when we, the objectors, were cut off and were unable to deliver few seconds of our final speech.

What you have done is disgraceful. I feel you betrayed our community, you betrayed Perry Vale Ward residents. This is what you wrote me:
"Dear Kat

I shall be attending the meeting, however as I am not on the committee and as I am a LH Board member I have a conflict of interest, so I am unable speak at the meeting."

I am copying everyone in so people know what kind of councillor you are and what kind of councillor they elected. Along with Cllr Paschoud sitting next to Lewisham Homes project manager for this application. What you have done and the absence of support from local councillors to Bampton community in this matter is disgrace to Perry Vale Ward. How dare you being a councillor in the first place? I came from a third world country where no democracy, no regard to residents, and law is twisted and turned in the favour of those who has power or money. What I have seen today is a flashback of my past as if I never left my third world country in the first place. Shocking, disgraceful and low. If you attempt to put your name for the next local election, I suggest you have no conscious and no shame, to say the least you don’t deserve to be a councillor.

I have also copied news reporters in. What happened today should not go unnoticed.

Kat
37 Standlake

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#218

@kat.standlake.point please be proud of all your hard work and determination. I, along with other residents are super proud of all of your efforts and tenacity. You have been an incredible presence throughout this debacle. As you say it was probably decided upon long, long ago.
Vote for councillor Kat??? :wink: :heart: xx

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#219

Work has started at the site:

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I’m not sure what the red and white tape on the trees signifies, if anything at all, but only these three seem to have it:

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#220

I guess it’s clear what the red and white tape meant now :frowning:

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#221

And this is why Kat is so passionate about fighting for leaseholders rights and making sure we have a voice. She has been amazing and I’m proud to be a member of the Leaseholders Alliance which she is a founding member of.

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#222

It is absolutely disgusting that the council are allowing developers to cut down our trees!

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#223

It’s only 3 trees, could be worse - 36 trees are going in this one controversially approved last night :frowning:

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