There was an accident last year as well. Car ended up about 20 yards into Cranston Road after being struck by another car speeding down Woolstone. Looked pretty bad but the passengers, Mum and child, got off without serious injury.
I’d move the 75 route but the only sensible way then takes it down Perry Rise and past the school.
Years ago Cranston Road was one way for a while due to some roadworks. It was great.
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Arguably there is also a primary school and nursery along Woolstone Road, and buses are getting greener, but I take your point.
I like the idea a lot though, removing the bus from Woolstone would enable more options in tacking the dangerous junction. But… unfortunately there is no left turn from the bottom of Perry Rise into Perry Hill and it’s a tight corner. So that would mean the bus either going into Bell Green and turning there or some other more imaginative route. On the more positive side, Woolstone Road is only about 800m long and has a 75 stop at each end, so there’s not that much lost by removing the bus stops on Woolstone - though I’m sure it would upset those that do use them regularly.
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Yes, moving the 75 bus route would be an inconvenience for the people who use the bus.
Woolstone Road has been a bus route for decades - what’s the point of moving the bus route? It’s cars that are causing difficulties for pedestrians and crashing into other cars, not buses.
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The reason it’s being discussed is:
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I’m not convinced that there wouldn’t be room for a mini roundabout, which would at least clear up whose right of way of it is, as to my mind this is what causes the problem. Or some kind of one way system/no right turn. It also wouldn’t hurt to put in measures to slow traffic down on Cranston and Woolstone!
Buses could still manage as they are going straight ahead.
It would be really nice to know what the council considered in the past and why certain options were not taken up.
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Cranston is a tricky road as people seem to treat it like a race track despite the speed limit and road humps. I find it quite frustrating when trying to park as I’m constantly being tailgated, sometimes overtaken, by other drivers annoyed that i’m sticking to the speed limit.
It feels like traffic lights including a pedestrian crossing might be the most sensible option at that junction if a mini roundabout wouldn’t fit. I worry at the moment that it’s such an unsafe junction to try and creep out from and if so many accidents have happened already, it won’t be long before another happens again unless its properly looked at by @Lewisham_Councillors.
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The right of way should already clear - there are stop lines and stop signs at the end of Cranston and Houston Roads as they meet Woolstone. Right of way is with traffic already on Woolstone Road.
However, I think it might be an unintended consequence of the ‘raised table’ that drivers on Woolstone slow down on approach to the junction even though they have right of way. This causes some drivers to try and nip across the junction or wrongly pull out into Woolstone.
I estimate there is about 1.5m2 in the middle of the crossing for a mini-mini-roundabout. At that size, it will be ignored by the same bad drivers that don’t understand stop signs (or even stop to let pedestrians cross!).
There’s no reason a roundabout wouldn’t fit. The Highway Code does say:
All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so.
…so should work for a bus or larger vehicle too.
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Apart from, you know, physical space? 
Here I took the Google maps satellite photo of the junction and transposed the mini-roundabout from the Perry Village end of Woolstone Road into it. It’s a bit narrow along the bus route, and as I mentioned previously, a painted one will just be driven over by all the drivers that don’t obey the current road layout and speed through anyway.
I’m not sure it notably improves the crossing for pedestrians either, especially when compared to something like traffic lights, though white paint is cheap I guess.
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Is there anything that can be done about the junction @lewisham_councillors? Dangerous driving around this junction, and down Cranston / Houston roads is a recurring theme over several years. Or will it take another child to get killed for something to be done?
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Hi John,
I think it might be best if you email the Perry Vale councillors cllr_john.paschoud@lewisham.gov.uk, cllr_susan.wise@lewisham.gov.uk and cllr_sakina.sheikh@lewisham.gov.uk and ask them to take a look, not sure if they’re active on this forum.
Leo
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@LeoGibbons - I did email those Perry Ward councillors on Monday the 28th September, but have not yet received any acknowledgement. I intend to chase to make sure there isn’t a technical reason for a lack of response, but perhaps you could also mention it to them the next time you see/speak to them? That would be much appreciated.
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Thanks Leo, will do
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Yep, I will drop them a line about it.
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Lets hope you get a better response than their constituents have been afforded.
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To be fair, Councillors Paschoud and Wise have responded to me in the last few hours with thoughtful and informative responses. John Paschoud is LBL’s London Councils Road Safety rep and Susan Wise lives near to the junction so both are familiar with the area.
Thank you @LeoGibbons if you put a call in too 
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There’s a Council meeting on 21st October. You could maybe ask a question about it then? You need to register your question at least 15 days in advance and I think the cutoff is midnight tomorrow. I’ll try to post some details on how to do it.
Sorry @ForestHull I meant to reply to @John_Greenidge
Edit to add, here’s the link:
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Sadly, Mary, the deadline for questions is 15 working days before the council meeting, so long past. One of the questions I put in was - given this is the first Mayor’s question time for six months, will they allow extra time to catch up with the backlog… ?
Hi Julia Lewisham’s website just says 15 days, not 15 working days and Kevin Flaherty confirmed (to someone else, not me) that the deadline was midnight on 6th October.
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