You seen any police with speed guns recently? They have far more pressing matters to deal with.
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So are the police not enforcing any speed limits regardless of level?
Not personally, but I know a man who has:
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I dont believe they were enforcing the 20mph limit unless there was a need in a particular area. The Met did say they were not going to enforce them when they initially came out. However, like many things if there is an accident black spot or a police incentive then I imagine you will see speed guns. My point is, there are not enough police to routinely have speed traps, Chris went on a citizen patrol which helps of course. Here in sunnny Norfolk, with lower crime rates, I routinely see both police and citizen speed traps. I am sure one of your local police will be able to give us an accurate picture.
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Not wishing to be pedantic but the rather handsome chap is standing alongside a PCSO and not police.
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What I liked about community roadwatch is that it helped avoid PC time being spent enforcing 20mph limits, and also it means only warning letters are sent and not actual fines. Fining people for driving at 24mph is just absurd, I’m sure most would agree.
this is what Tower Hamlets Met police said in consultation re their role in continuing their 20mph borough wide limit.
'As with all speed limits, if the site doesn’t look like or feel like the limit imposed then there will be larger scale offending and routine prosecution seen as inappropriate and quite simply over the top. It is for Tower Hamlets Council to appropriately sign and if necessary engineer a limit, leaving the police to target the persistent and deliberate offender, together achieving the very highest level of compliance and safety for other road users.
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Beyond this, it should be pointed out that the nature of the TLRN roads, and of the traffic using these links, does make them suitable for average speed enforcement using fixed cameras. Clearly this would be a significant escalation in the use of camera enforcement, and would require a political will from both Tower Hamlets and TfL to achieve, although in terms of effective enforcement to encourage compliance, this would be by far the most effective solution.’
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I see that discussion of the poll has been stopped on the poll thread, just when things were getting interesting. Of those who expressed an opinion for or against 52% are current against the 20mph limit and 48% were in favour of the borough-wide speed limit (no, I didn’t make up those percentages).
I still think a better measure of the views of drivers is to measure their speeds on roads like Southend Lane, Mayow Road, Sydenham Hill, Sydenham Rise, or Perry Vale (all roads with minimal traffic calming) - I think speeds of cars would suggest that most motorists prefer going above 30mph, even in the new 20mph zones.
Michael,are you seriously suggesting most motorists will want to drive at over 30mph? Sure, there are some idiots out there but most! Slightly sweeping generalisation or have I misunderstood your comment?
As a resident of Mayow Road, I’d exclude it from your list, @Michael. We have humps galore, many near islands which make mini-chicanes. For sure people do speed on our road, but you have to make a special effort to do so, really putting the foot down between traffic calming interventions. It’s not somewhere where the ‘average’ driver speeds, only those who are determined to ignore any speed restriction, at whatever level it is set.
I was thinking more about the Sydenham end rather than after Dacres Road.
When I drive on the roads mentioned I’m sure I see plenty of people driving slightly above 30mph, and occasionally well above 30 mph. If speeds on these roads have reduced in the last few years - without any traffic calming measures, then it would suggest that the 20mph zone have had an impact on adjusting driving speeds to below 30mph, but I’m not really sure that this is true.
Yes, interesting that comments were blocked very quickly after the poll ceased to provide ‘evidence’ that the 20mph limit is widely unpopular. I wonder why…
Never mind, I’m sure we can keep the discussion going here.
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There are split humps the entire length of Mayow Road, starting at the Thorpes.
So do I. Why do you think it was stopped?
perhaps because inconveniently the poll (flawed as it was) did not provide support to the arguments of its originator that the limits are broadly unpopular, in the face of proper research evidence to the contrary.
But it was put up with a chance for anyone to vote. If you don’t like the results of this poll why don’t you start one of your own, then you can monitor it and keep abreast of the results. It will be interesting to see the outcome.
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No more polls on this issue, please. Not just because it is divisive of the community and the commenters all steadily hardened their preexisting beliefs, but also because I have no self control and have to read the same point over and over again.
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I think some kind of ‘whiteboard’ where arguments / mitigants can be displayed diagramatically and without duplication might help with this 
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Well you see that is my issue. We had a poll, people voted and some dont like the outcome. Sound familiar. Perhaps we should take Nigel Farrages newest stance and run it all again until someone is happy with the result.
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You misunderstand me. I am very interested in what people think but this poll is not a representative way to find out. Yet when it seemed largely anti it was held out as supporting evidence, then when it went broadly 50-50 the thread was closed. It is surprising that it ended up where it is though since in a self selecting poll of this nature researchers would expect the antis mainly drawn from drivers to dominate.
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